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Posted 2/6/2008 in All Weblog Posts | Handplanes

Legacy Planeworks officially opened its doors on Tuesday and began selling kits that allow a home woodworker with no metalworking experience to build an English-style shoulder plane with naval brass sides, a steel sole and an exotic wood infill.

The company currently offers two sizes of shoulder planes – 1" wide and 3/4" wide – with prices starting at $425. And two more infill kits are on the drawing board: a chariot plane and a Norris-style A6 smoothing plane with a mechanical blade adjuster, says Marty Sivar, one of the owners of the company.

The kits have been in development for many months, Sivar says, and the parts are so finely machined that you can literally snap the metal dovetails in place when you take the parts out of the box.

"We wanted to offer a refined kit," Sivar said today in a phone interview, "not something you had to spend hours prepping the parts for assembly and cleaning them up."

The kits come with all the metal components you need (even the drill bits for boring the wood components). The home planemaker will need a ball pien hammer, a steel plate (or anvil) and a handful of files to complete the project, Sivar says. Legacy Planeworks also sells all the files required for planemaking on its web site: legacyplanes.com.

Some woodworkers might remember the kits that were sold by Shepherd Tool, a Canadian company run by two partners outside Toronto. After Shepherd's early success with its first Spiers-style smoothing plane kits, the company ran into some rocky times and shuttered its doors in early 2006 with a crowd of angry customers who were upset about a variety of problems, from not being able to get technical questions answered, kits that were missing parts, and credit cards that were charged with merchandise never shipped.

Sivar was one of those angry customers of Shepherd, and he said he and his partner, Ernie Barber, have set out to make sure that Legacy Planeworks is everything that Shepherd Tool was not.

Sivar says that the company's web site will not sell you a kit unless there are more than two in stock, and that every order will be shipped within two or three days of it being placed. Plus, Sivar says that Legacy now has plenty of kits on hand to sell right away (one of them is heading for our office for a full review, by the way).

The kit components for a Legacy shoulder plane (both photos courtesy of Legacy Planeworks).

Every kit has a money-back guarantee and includes a 52-page instruction manual that includes many step photos that will walk the planemaker through the process. The manual, Sivar says, has taken a long time to develop and has been through many revisions to make the instructions as complete and foolproof as possible.

"I think our customers will be very satisfied from the minute they open the box," Sivar says.

Sivar has experience both as a woodworker and a metalworker. He started his career as a machinist and then went into the military. After a short stint as a corporate pilot, Sivar completed some marketing and management training and went to work for a petro-chemical company, where he is now an area manager and nearing retirement. Barber works in law enforcement and is an accomplished woodworker and carver who specializes in 18th-century furniture.

Sivar says all the plane components are going to be professionally made by other metalworking companies to Legacy's specifications; that will leave Sivar and Barber to focus on working with current customers and developing future products.

Personally, I'm quite pleased to see someone getting back into this business. I built several of the Shepherd kits, including a couple smoothing planes, a chariot plane, a shoulder plane and a panel plane. Despite the glitches (my kits were missing critical parts, too) the overall experience was fun and you learn a lot about plane mechanics by building one of the tools.

I think it's especially encouraging that Legacy has started out offering just the shoulder plane kit. Of all the kits I built, that one was the easiest to complete and will likely give would-be planemakers a good taste of the process.

In the coming weeks, I'll post photos of the new kit and my progress building it.

— Christopher Schwarz

2/6/2008 3:09:48 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
I was looking at plane kits recently and I thought the infill kits offered at http://www.stjamesbaytoolco.com/smoothing.html looked really interesting especially since you can save a bit by getting a rough casting and doing the metal cleanup yourself. Do you have any experience with their planes or kits? The hundred dollar question for me is, "exactly how rough are these castings?"
2/6/2008 11:38:04 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)

I don't have a lot of experience with St. James Bay. I bought one of the finished castings for a smoothing plane. I couldn't get it cleaned to my satisfaction with files and sandpaper. And I've never worked one of their rough castings.

Perhaps people with direct experience can chime in on the blog.


Chris
2/7/2008 4:54:43 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
I built the St. James Bay #112 scraper plane from their rough cast kit. (Christmas 06 present from my wife - thanks, Babe!) I haven't seen their other planes - except for the website studio pics - so I can't say if my comments apply to all their planes. When they say 'rough cast' they really mean it - as cast, just cut off the sprue. I didn't really have any problems building it, but I have a full machine shop at work and the freedom to use it. If someone gets a rough casting kit with the intention of finishing it with a couple hand files it could be done - bronze files easily - but I think it would be time consuming and frustrating.

The #112 scraper came with handles, hardware, and 3 cast bronze pieces - base, lever cap, & pivoting whatchamacallit. Oh, and no plans. I had to copy a bunch of pics off the web to figure out where to put the pivot. I was particularly glad to have a milling machine for flattening the sole and machining a flat for the tote.

All things considered I had fun making it and it was decent value for the money; I might feel differently if I'd had to hand file everything.

Tom
2/8/2008 8:44:42 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
I see a Wives Against Schwartz revival in the future.
James Watriss
2/8/2008 8:47:49 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
I look forward to seeing you put it together. That peining process always
turned me of to kits. I guess it's something I'd have to see someone do first hand.
2/8/2008 10:19:04 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)

Believe it or not, piening (or peening) is fun AND easy. It's the post-peening filing that is a drag.

Chris
2/10/2008 3:23:49 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
Chris,
You once stated in an old e-mail,
"Wood worker hate metal work" I don't know if you deliberately wrote it in Tarzan dialect but you conveyed your point very well. $425 would buy a decent plane that you could use in your woodworking right away and save yourself the pain of learning yet another craft. It would look good in the shop though, much like the blue steel beauty of the Red Ryder BB gun. Something to be lusted after.
At least you won't put your eye out!
Mike
2/14/2008 3:31:46 AM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)

Mike,

You are totally correct in calling me out on this. I'm not a big advocate of building your own tools.

However.

Some people really enjoy it. And everyone -- everyone -- who does it will learn a ton about plane mechanics. I did.

Just something to think about.

Chris
2/18/2008 10:19:30 PM (Eastern Standard Time, UTC-05:00)
Chris,
Just pulling your chain. Making a tool from scratch or a kit can be a real learning experience!
Mike
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